November 19, 2025
Overherd on Social: Creators, World-building, and the Challenge of Fragmented Audiences
Goat’s Overherd on Social podcast is a marketer’s go-to for Trends, Creators, and Culture! Dive into the latest social media and pop culture phenomena with industry experts and top creators.
With audiences scattered across countless platforms and niche communities, advertisers must find new and increasingly inventive ways to reach them.
In this episode of Overherd on Social, we sit down with James Caig – Strategy Partner for WPP Media, with over 20 years’ experience in advising major clients, including the UK Government – and Hannah Ryan, Global VP of Campaign Delivery at Goat, to unpack the biggest challenges advertisers face today, from fragmented audiences to the shift in consumption habits.
We dive into how institutions like the government are having to rethink the way they communicate, from public-health messaging to COVID-19 restrictions, and explore why creator marketing has become essential for reaching increasingly fragmented audiences.
Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts and YouTube
This episode explores:
- Reaching audiences across fragmented platforms
- The role traditional media channels play in storytelling
- How media platforms are evolving
- Navigating challenges with governmental communications
🎙️ Hosted by:
- Jo Hughston: Head of Marketing, The Goat Agency
- Matt Wyatt: Senior Video Producer, The Goat Agency
Guest:
- James Caig, Strategy Partner at WPP Media
- Hannah Ryan, Global VP of Campaign Delivery at Goat
Chapters:
00:00 – 04:32 – Introduction
04:32 – 14:27 – How influencer marketing has changed
14:27 – 20:51 – View on traditional media & linear tv
20:51 – 25: 35 – Decision fatigue
25:35 – 29:46 – Reaching fragmented audiences
29:46 – 34:12 – How brands navigate reaching these whilst maintaining brand identity
34:12 – 40:21 – The challenge Government communications
40:21 41:42 – Content creation for governmental strategies
41:42 – 45:40 – Measuring success in campaigns
45:40 – 50:30 – Standout government campaigns & final thoughts
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